God has revealed (some of) Himself through His Word. Martyn Iles Removed as Managing Director of Australian Christian Lobby by Board, Seven Types of Rest to Restore Your Body, Mind and Spirit, 8 witnesses testified against Hillsong founder Brian Houston in court case, wife Bobbie reveals, Why you feel guilty for not going to church, Samaritan's Purse sends 52-bed field hospital to Turkey. In this case, to anyone and everyone. Not the people, but the ideas, and the spiritual forces behind those ideas. No, I get that it would be rough if others out here in cyberspace land could write at the same length, yet all I ask is that you follow same, be equitable . As an aside, I have doubts that Furtick even has a clue about perichoresis. He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. Jesus did say that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. and this Christians power is not his own, as after God used Peter to heal a lame beggar, the apostle explained to astonished onlookers that the man was healed not by Peters own power but through faith in the name of Jesus Christ: Fellow Israelites, why does this surprise you? When Jehovahs Witnesses talk about Jesus, theyre using words that sound the same, but have a different meaning. In any other context, I have no doubt you would share my concern: In the beginning, Marduk created the heavens and the earth. So I agree and hope God reveals the truth to him. . Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. We are not kept in the dark about the truth of the gospel. Thats good. Steven Furtick is a well-known author of religious books such as Sun Stand Still, Crash the Chatterbox and Crash. Godly people would never drink alcohol. This too goes beyond Scripture to the point of contradicting Jesus words. I mean no offense, Mercy but youre being irresponsible. That does NOT mean that its okay to add to, or to take away from, ANY passage of Scripture. =). If a brother or sister in Christ corrects us, rejoice! Im more likely to listen to someone who doesnt point fingers. He is wrong about the Trinity. I have no doubt you and I would agree on virtually everything, given the opportunity to talk at length. . And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. So few know the gospel that many are deceived. Its that we wield the same kind of power that God has. The Father existed, and the Son existed, and the Holy Spirit existed, before anything was created. Thats wise. I also was attached to Furtick and his teachings not too long ago but thank God for a biblical counselor who called him out and really challenged me to listen to what he is saying. This is in line with a common teaching in the Word of Faith movement: that our faith only manifests what is already true in the spiritual realm. That attitude is the prerequisite for vs 15, Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Relying on the Lord Jesus this way ensures us that He will correct us if we begin to go off on a tangent. Im eager to improve. All I did was point out the fact that you were repeating false teaching, which is OF COURSE irresponsible. This passage carries with it two specific kinds of punishments: plagues for those who add to it, and eternal condemnation for those who take away from it. You can also subscribe without commenting. I currently have a dad who has pastored for 40+ years. Right, I also hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written, as truly iron does sharpen iron, as our Great brother Paul said, for we know in part. He is one of the know evangelists all over the world, and apart from writing books, he takes his time in evangelization. Lets turn that around and see how you feel: Ive done my homework. I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to write. Lessons From Less. I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. To suggest that God is not all-powerful goes against 3500 years of biblical witness, every bit of Judaic and Christian belief, and hundreds of verses of Scripture, both Old and New Testament. This is something more. The Trinity of God is like man being a spirit having a soul and living in body. He didnt know about making disciples, as the KJV only says to teach and doesnt say make disciples. When we walked through some other New Testament verses about discipleship, he was grieved. As the name suggests, tritheism is the belief in three different gods. The one who breaks the Law is a sinner. That we should ignore his false teaching is not. First: what does this passage actually SAY? The problem is not, and has never been, the people. Steven Furtick is the founder and lead pastor of one of the fastest growing churches in the United States of America, Elevation Church. While the statement of faith on Elevations website is entirely orthodox, what gets taught from the pulpit is not. He was prepared to. Furtick is simply pouring his own meaning into the words you might hear at the church you grew up in. When people defend false teachers and repeat their errors, thats bad too right? Holly Furtick, Follower of Jesus, is an American author who has written several books for children like Charlotte's Web, Ramona the Pest etc. I end, if I did not reach my max, with Thessalonians 4: 6-9. Steven Furtick is a well-known author of religious books such as Sun Stand Steel, Crash Chatter Box, and Crash. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. As I continue to add to the False Teachers list, and to add articles about them, I want to be responsible and use their own words rather than sharing my own, largely irrelevant, opinions. Hello, I am in my mid thirties and trying to rebuild my faith. Unfortunately and I say this with respect most of what you wrote contradicts Scripture. May God save his soul if he doesnt know Christ and may God give His children eyes to see and ears to hear. Greek verbs communicate 5 different things: tense, voice, mood, person, and number. I dont feel attacked by you. In researching these topics, Ive heard a LOT that I appreciated, and have been inspired by even those who are otherwise far from the truth. Steven Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, and popular radio host Charlamagne Tha God, whose real name is Lenard McKelvey, returned to their roots in South Carolina for a very important video discussion on race and religion. It confirmed everything that I have seen and heard from Steven Furtick. We all have some things wrong, Im sure the goal isnt to nitpick, but to warn people that false teachers are all over the place, and to encourage them to compare whats being taught with what God has said. Do you agree with him that God broke the law for love, or do you think thats at least an inartful attempt to explain something true? My comment is about the comments here. This is modalism, the same error that Furtick makes. Will be a week or so. The power of God was in Nazareth, but it was trapped in their perspective. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. Thanks for visiting! Changing the verse from did not to could not allows Furtick to make claims about our own belief that arent found in Scripture. To me it is just reiterating, Matthew 13:58. We should all be like the Bereans: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Instead, the New Testament is chock full of instruction and correction about how Christians should live, think, and act AFTER were saved. Its rare to see a young man like Steven Furtick living in a 15 million dollar home with several astronomically priced vehicles in this day and age. Well, we know everything is made up with molecules (atoms with protons and neutrons), but to say God is a molecular structure does not fit, as the word does say clearly; all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist (all things hold together, in many translations), Colossians 1: 16. Paul gave us the way to avoid error in Philippians 3. You and I both know that we dont save ourselves, yet many persist in the false notion that its our faith-filled words that save us. I have 1 simple question, 1st question for now what is the 1 and only way to heaven? Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. Please feel free to respond to the content of that comment, rather than simply complaining about my tone. Jesus said the HolySpirit proceeds from the Father. In 1840 there were 2 Furtick families living in South Carolina. His claim was that Jesus COULD NOT heal those people because of His unbelief that He had the power, and wanted to use it, but COULD NOT. The Bible isnt about you. By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. He's misleading many using the name of Jesus to build his own kingdom. I hope that you wont take my word for it, Kathleen. Can a man present the gospel that may be doctrinally incorrect on other matters ? The subject of his ethnicity, however, is not as straightforward. Why would the gospel of John say And the Word was with God, and the Word was God ? He appears to be a genuine person that is, I dont see him as a liar who poses as a follower of Jesus for personal gain. Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. He is 41 years old as of 2021. Do you believe that God is a molecular structure? Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. Jesus wasnt blocked. And he went round about the villages, teaching. So, again, it can be either word used, as here, scripture does interpret scripture with similar scripture. In addition, its been condemned by Christians as heresy for the entire history of the church. Theres no Plan B, so we need to make sure the church follows Jesus lead. The miracles of Jesus bore witness to His identity as the Son of God, but the people in Nazareth had rejected Him. When I spoke of the Great Commission, he was confused. Thank you for this clarity and God bless. There are two problems in that quote that relate directly the passage in question. Especially when you can see the iron (microscopic amounts) from one transferring to the other. So, to recap what you said; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. Dont trust me. Needs a dose of 1 Peter 5:5, as we all must! Furtick should know better, and you shouldnt parrot ideas about the Bible that you havent actually looked up. Its all over the Gospels, for God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34, as He only respects faith, Matthew 9:29. Being a preacher, Furtick's primary source of income. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. Every pastor gives their interpretation of what the Bible is saying (Ive been a licensed minister, so youre talking about me). Its not. How many doctrinal errors does it take to make one a false teacher ? I hope youre doing great! Thats part of why Ive decided, after 24 years of having online discussions about Jesus, to go ahead and write about false teachers: so many have simply been deceived. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Indian Trail, North Carolina, United States . Thank you for taking the time to share this. 4044). I wouldnt think so, but thats the result of what youve written. Paul was certainly a special case, as dont forget what he did to the church, by such destructive degradation he perpetrated on it; and even Jesus made response to it; for I will show him how much he (Paul) must suffer for My names sake. Acts 9:16, and thus buffeting, because of revelations, was part and partial. My second suggestion is that Christians should be strategic about these things. 2:8). And, I am sure you could have hit a few more points and added many more examples. You seem to think that the power is in US that speaking those words is what saves us. We who teach and I include myself are not in the same group as those who listen. So that we, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fulness of God. (It says this book) Or does it just mean Revelation. If youd like to address the idea that God is or is not omnipotent, go ahead. I must say from what Ive read so far, I can see you provide a solid foundation of where your thoughts are coming from, and a humility to the fact your just human. Insightful and reignited the importance of chasing after Truth. Im struggling with whether I am making a mountain out of a mole hill, or whether Im being discerning. Furtick is a pastor for the Elevation Church and owns a property with his wife of 8,400 square feet in Waxhaw, NC. On Sunday, Furtick, who is white, sat down with another Elevation pastor, John. What Ethnicity Is Steven Furtick. Because basically it comes down to; He did not, because he could not, because of their lack of faith! In my opinion this is an often overlooked or unaddressed misconception among professing Christians. The Father is spirit. It is still one man. Steven Furtick is part o The American pastor was born by Faith Furtick, who is her mother and her father known as Larry Stevens Furtick. You are right. Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? Christians are to be Torah-observant, except for sacrificing animals. For There is such a thing as an atmosphere of faith, which genders favorable results, even Jesus knew this, as here in his own turf, he would put out doubters; The child is not dead. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? Thank you for your kind words. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. I believe he believes what hes saying. That would be the Father, Son, and Spirit who would be considered separate, not one. Are you simply discussing one particular theological point because its interesting? Can we say they werent born again? If He did, then it would be easy to spot those who have been born again: we would all agree on everything. "Although Furtick says this is a miracle, it's not a miracle," Duncan said. Thats a whole different situation, right? Were he to address the issue and clarify that hes biblically trinitarian and not a modalist in any sense, we would all be sure of what he means. does not equate to Gods blessing. Steven Furtick associates himself and his church with other false teachers. Jesus death provided for our healing, except for Paul and Timothy and, of course, every Christian who ever died. In this way, God only APPEARS AS the Son and the Spirit. First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. In Mark 10:46-52, Jesus said to the eagerly awaiting, to be healed, blind man, Go, your faith has healed (sozo) you. These are just examples showing not only how he worked individually, but also how he worked in mass. What other, in your opinion, false teachers have you written about?? We are told it in scripture, and accept it on faith. It reminded me of conversations I have often had concerning Christs fulfillment of the law. Jesus decisions about who to heal could have had several reasons or hundreds, or thousands behind them. However: when someone claims to hold to orthodox, biblical, historical Christian doctrine but then makes clear public statements of modalism, its obvious that theyre not teaching what they claim to teach. The Holy Spirit came out from inside the Father? I mean no offense by this, Mercy. Moreover, Jesus healed people when there was no evidence of faith at all. But right, Paul was not so special a case that he would be the only one God dealt with weakness, but his special case was because of abundance of revelations, and not for the reason of sin, like David revealed; Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word. Psalm 119:67. The implication, as taught over and over by these false teachers, is that we share Gods nature, and we can do the things He can do. Now, baptizing people is good. You have to be baptized to go to Heaven. Can you admit to that! The assumption is that God has already communicated what we need to know, and we just need to discover it by studying the text. He fulfilled the Law. For Death and life are in the power of the tongue. Proverbs 18:21. This is where you read a section of the Bible and you ask what is says. Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. This is serious business. Bottom line, how do we know that in his saying I sought the Lord that he was not standing in faith, and confessing healing? How many have only joined a church , gotten baptized, confirmed without being convicted. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. Look at His actual words, in John 12: For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. So that if mighty works be not wrought in us, it is not for want of power or grace in Christ, but for want of faith in us. What do you think? Start Smaller. An assertion like that would be valuable information if it could be readily verified. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt.. Hopefully, we all learn from our mistakes. I thought He could do anything. It said, He could not. He wanted to. Come on, Angela. At one time, only royalty could wear the gem. If you just read the website, you might think hes right on track right? Like you, Ive found that most critics online are just kind of griping about people they dont like, or repeating someone elses accusations. While he holds an American nationality and practices Christianity. 1. God does respond to our faith. That makes us more powerful than God. Saint Laurent men's brown Boots $1,145. Unfortunately for him and the many thousands (or millions) who hear him teach, sincerity is largely irrelevant. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. Where is the Holy Spirit conviction , wheres the guidance of the Holy Spirit ? Are you trying to defend Furtick against the claim that hes a false teacher? These limits are self-imposed, of course and they are chosen to produce the best outcome. Do you agree with Furtick that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? Related: Kalani Miller Age, Height, Net Worth, Bio, . How do you explain the trinity? Along the way, you might ask something like this: What do you say to people who believe that God is only one person, who just shows up in different forms at different times?. I just want to thank and encourage you in contending earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. Many people such as Paul himself before his conversion, along with his brother Pharisees, know the Word. That is convenient, yet to throw it out as false because someone uses it, is also wrong. Heres the order from Scripture: Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. Not really a definitive answer to what constitutes a false teacher. The wine at the wedding in Cana was non-alcoholic. I really do appreciate this discussion. The context here makes it clear that Jesus was referring to the prophecies in Revelation. I know it can be difficult to separate what weve been taught by people we love from what we see in the Bible, but you can do it. Im not a follower of Furtick, and in no sense do I endorse him or his ministry. But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? After all, Christ did heal when people had weak faith. If your point is that hes not a false teacher, then you must agree with these things or at least think theyre inconsequential. God is the supreme authority in all things, and subject to none. Its especially bad when we publish our bad decisions as a guide for others. Now I pay attention more to the words spoken by pastors and dont just take everything they say as being true. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. To be more precise, the Word of God teaches that there is only one God, and The Word of God also teaches that God is spirit. It doesnt say more than that. You rightly say; While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, but to then say; our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. We absolutely do know, should know, can know. We are powerless without Him. As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. If you have something to say, include Scripture. I dont know Steve or anything about him. Again, Paul speaking of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; Romans 1:16. as it, whether could not or would not, is still (bottom line) for want of faith in us, just as the scripture says in Matthew 13:58 A reasonable conclusion from the text might be that Jesus did fewer miracles there because fewer people, not believing in Him, came to Him to be healed. I hope to study and understand the Word of God more so I can confidently stand on and defend the faith. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. Having said that, great reading. I have felt conviction over singing their music because it supports their ministry, which clearly teaches some wrong theology. Would you bring an unsaved friend to an Elevation concert? If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. Its clear that God does some miracles on the basis of a persons faith, and that God does some miracles independent of anyones faith. We are not all-powerful, or all-knowing, or all-present. First: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are properly understood as God. First, youre taking 1 Corinthians 14:33 completely out of context. The friction literally removes rough burrs and the heat of friction causes the metal to be molded to fill in the gaps left by the removed metal. Im sorry that you and I disagree on this, my friend but my position is not my own. Stephen Furtick is of white ethnicity and has American nationality. Is that really a problem? You shared, we see that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not the same as each other. Do you see? Sure, Ballard Christian. But, why this buffeting? Early life and education [ edit] If you study the scriptures long enough concerning the identity of Father/Son/Spirit, it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. Well say things like, I wouldnt change a thing because thats what made me who I am. Well, that suggests that bad things might actually be good things. If their name is a link, theres already an article. The question is whether Steven Furtick can be trusted to teach and preach what God has said and, while most teachers say a lot of things that are true, the measure of a false teacher is that they too often say things that are untrue. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. This is also why Jesus said; According to your faith be it unto you. But, and if any one, the closest would be, God did not heal Paul because, in His wisdom, had a purpose for Pauls suffering that resulted in greater glory for Himself than healing Paul could have accomplished. And when you get born again youve got that resurrection power but then youve gotta get that soul in agreement to where it sees it. The truth is that oneness doctrine cant explain why Jesus prayed to the Father, was sent by the Father, went back to the Father, and so on. With God all things are possible. The scroll in question is a scroll of prophecy. That excludes a number of books in the Bible, since not all are prophetic. This does not match what we see in Scripture. This was about 50% of all the recorded Furtick's in USA. Neither your opinion nor mine matter here. Nevertheless, I think it is an attitude that should be addressed. The Scriptures are enough. It is estimated to cost more than $1.7 million. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may knowthat there is no one likeme in all the earth. 9:23,24. Thanks again. It is mankind's total depravity that renders us incapable of keeping . That doesnt mean that people cant be confused by what God does the Bible is full of that. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7. Nobody teaches lies and falsehoods all the time. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it.
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