), then Ogden? We all have one thing in common: we worked at BNSF Railway or one of its predecessor railroads. ?La Junta then Dodge City if going to Kansas CityLa Junta then Amarillo if going to Texas or New Mexico.Except AMADEN & DENAMA also change at Boise City because theydo local work. Charlie TrainBoard Member. Lowest Point : 456 ft @ Topock, AZ. This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. Staying at one of the lodging motels can be interesting, but I wouldnt suggest being too inquiring these days. While it may not save the railroad money on wages, it saves them on the cost of benefits. Thanks again,everyone! BNSF Editor CTC Board Magazine [ Reply To This Message ] Date: 01/10/02 19:00 Thanks Author: dbm. Helpers cut off at Palmer Lakeor Colorado Springs (Grain trains). Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. Hugh Cook is Wyoming Public Radio's Northeast Reporter, based in Gillette. Need to talk with someone at BNSF about a news report youre putting together? BNSF plays a vital role in our economys supply chain, moving freight across our nation every day. Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. Get great snapshots of railroading history in Art Petersons newest book. At times they will change within minutes of stopping at the "crosswalk" where employees cross the mainline, and at other times the incoming crew will "tie down" their train on the main-line and the train will wait for literally hours on the main for the outgoing (new) crew. We offer a library of downloadable files, forums to exchanges messages, news and more. Major stations: Barstow, Ash Hill; Yards: Needles; Crew Change Points: Needles, Barstow Junctions: Daggett (UPRR Cima Sub) MP 739.6 Highest point: 2187 @ Lavic; Lowest Point: 620 @ Amboy . LA - Barstow - Needles - Kingman - Winslow - Belen - Clovis - Amarillo - Wellington - Kansas City - Ft. Madison - Chicago for the fast trains, some additional crew changes for manifest trains. Or, did they get rid of it because there was too much congestion / delays east of Clinton? I believe it was cptrainman of the "Hunter, . Crew Change Points, Belen to Barstow; Discussion related to BNSF operations. Her husband is also a conductor. Apparently extending crew districts is in E. Hunter Harrison's bag of tricks, which as far as I know now, he hasn't yet pulled out. Paul MN. Each employee would be given 30 points for the rest of their career but would be docked points for taking off weekdays (two points), weekends (four points), and holidays (ten points). Check this site for information about benefits and retirement plans. )* UP east from Grand Junction??? Thanks in advance for your help. ), then Ogden? From then to now trains on this subdivision are crewed by running trades employees whose home terminals are at Toronto and Smiths Falls. This month BNSF placed in service 5 miles of fourth main track on the Hereford Subdivision through Amarillo, Texas. I just remembered, while sitting in the Oak Tree Inn at Clinton, IA, that they are the UP's contracted provider for crew lodging away from home. Railroading is a big world filled with impressive and interesting people. "Almost every single day we go to work sick or tired because lineups are terrible," she admitted. It's grown enough that engineer's need about half of that, even less for conductors. Railroads & Locomotives Maps BNSF Railway crew districts. Kevin Knutson is a Gillette-based conductor and union leader who has worked for the railroad for over 40 years. Several projects are currently underway to further expand the route's efficiency by adding triple- and even quadruple-track long stretches of the busiest parts of the Transcon. .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. The railroad has been one of the major economic drivers and employers for many of the Wyoming communities it passes through. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. > * Denver south: Pueblo> * Pueblo south: Trinidad? The satellite view clearly shows impressions of a turntable and roundhouse across the highway from the town. Click here to learn about the Unlimited Membership. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. This is part one of a video I made on my tour 8 across the country 2018 stopping in Needles California at the BNSF train yard to catch one of the many trains. "A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable. Don't forget BNSF's Southwest Chief line. 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We seek to acquire quality goods and services at the lowest total cost of ownership by working resourcefully, efficiently, effectively and ethically with both current and prospective suppliers. > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Winter Park (Does BNSF use helpers? Trenton ON was eliminated as an away from home terminal for Toronto East Pool and Smiths Falls West Pool crews. Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. Would this be the right list for the Transcon? Only the Clinton - Missouri Valley long pool. I haven't heard of this in a long time, so maybe this was a failed idea. Learn more about our trains, how we operate them, and the variety of railcars we haul, in the informative BNSF Virtual Train Tour. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) ), Yes BNSF uses helpers if they cant meet the UP HP per Tonrequirements. A train in the long pool uses one less crew than if it goes to the short pool. We see this very often here. But when the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway established what became known as the Southern Transcon route in the 1880s, parts of the Southwest were now accessible with relative ease. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. 546 posts BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line) Posted by Doublestack on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:39 PM Good evening, Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. November 3, 2022 INDEPENDENCE, Ohio, (Nov. 3, 2022) The BLET and SMART-TD will host a joint town hall meeting next week to discuss the tentative national rail agreement. showing freights running at 50+ MPH between Miles City and Harlowton, which would put the start to stop time at a bit over 4 hours. Correct, the hours of service were changed as follows: 16 hours to 14 hours on December 26, 1970, 14 hours to 12 hours on December 26, 1972. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) They can only work 12 hours by federal law. "The attendance policy we had in the past, it would allow basically any person to take two weekend days and five weekdays per month off," he explained. Seems like I'm missing at least 1 (maybe btwn Clovis and KC?). myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. TEXAS, USA On Tuesday, a federal judge in Fort Worth granted BNSF, one of the nation's largest freight companies, a temporary restraining order, blocking nearly 17,000 employees from striking. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay. We see this very often here. The Milwaukee Road in the 1970s combined orchanged some crew districts, both on the Puget Sound extension and elsewhere. Today, the Southern Transcon is the primary route for BNSF's intermodal franchise. Not every crew change point has one (Mason City, IA may be getting one in the future) but except for the few in the eastern US, all are UP crew change points. The "run through"was established in 1970, not too long before I started my railway career with CP in that area. You there, Mr. Lee? I guess he's got a point because all the trains stopat such places. At the time we were having trouble going from Boone to Clinton in 12 hours. "It was a way to limit time off even though they didn't have a lot of people and they needed a lot of people," said Knutson. Amarillo is a crew change point, so there is a lot of activity along the city's rail lines. Ideally, a crew goes on duty, gets its paperwork, gets out of the yard, reaches its destination, and ties up comfortably within the maximum 12 hours on duty allowed by the federal hours-of-service law. BNSFs Economic Development team can help guide you through the process of expanding, developing or selecting a site. - Erik. There are quite a few who live in central Iowa and drive 200 miles to work the pool. Today, 41 years later and the HOS at 12 hours (changed Dec. 26, 1972) the crew usually do not have trouble making it from SLO to LA (which is still inter-divisional, but only a one ended pool). Thanks. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. "The cutoff made traversing New Mexico with freight easier by eliminating the steep grades of the Raton Pass from the route and the use of extra locomotive power to make the trip.". Get updates and special offers via email from Trains.com brands! At the time we were having trouble going from Boone to Clinton in 12 hours. Join Today! The Western Pacific also had some ~200 mile crew districts. Crew districts are not static. Feel free to fill inanything I'm missing. Wondering where the crew change points are on the BNSF from Chicago to the Twin Cities on the Aurora and St. Croix Subs? But completing the historic route wasn't the last piece of the puzzle. Highlighting our commitment to safety, service, communities and our heritage. ;-). Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. Some crew change points were simply the points at which one railroad had a junction with another. I haven't heard of this in a long time, so maybe this was a failed idea. In 1992, Santa Fe began a decades-long project to double-track the 512 miles of the route that remained single-tracked. (Trains that continue to Ft Worth changenext at Childress but the Dalhart to Childress and Childressto Ft Worth segments are also over ambitious. BNSF Crew Change Locations In order to set up activities for the BNSF and other railroads, I can't recall anyone putting out any kind of a list for where crew changes take place. (I've heard about helpers living in Tabernash but don't know if that's a permanent thing or not. This website is best viewed in Chrome or Safari. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. UP is Distributive Power only.BNSF is all trains over 8000 tons and some under that.No distributive power. I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. Most of those are of a standard BNSF design; the center piece, providing 23 feet, 6 inches of clearance over the lower main line, is an 87 four-girden deck-plate steel span. Sometimes it would take the the full 16 hours on the HOS to make the run. Log in to the Employee Portal to access safety rulebooks, pay and benefits information, sign up for training opportunities and more. When crews are tight on either pool at either end, they use crews out of either pool. Here, youll find news releases, customer notifications and media assets available for use by news organizations. For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. . Each intermodal train carries as much freight as 280 trucks, helping alleviate congestion on our nation's highways. According to Knutson, taking time off for a doctor or dental appointment can cost an employee several points. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. I was wondering about crewchangepoints along the UP and BNSF in the Midwest. Fully responsible for all aspects of the North American operation including profit and loss, contract negotiation, customer retention, business development, sales, marketing, process management,. erikem .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. Shop online for BNSF-branded merchandise. Is La Junta the closest crewchange point? Then Alliance, NE? I believe it was cptrainman of the "Hunter, . More than just lines on a map, a railroad is people. One thing to remember is there are some long and some short pools. The only BNSF jobs @ Kingman is a daytime rd swtchr followed by a afternoon one. Classic Railroad Scenes: Railroads at Work. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Today, 41 years later and the HOS at 12 hours (changed Dec. 26, 1972) the crew usually do not have trouble making it from SLO to LA (which is still inter-divisional, but only a one ended pool). Each employee begins with 30 points for a career, Knutson said. Serving Carrier Reciprocal Switch Inquiry. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. I'm not sure if crews run through from Keddie to Stockton, or if there is a crew change at Marysville, CA. The Super 8 was their lodging and it was set up with a computer terminal for employees to "see" the railroad and determine what their near future entailed. To participate you must either login or register for an account. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. For 170 years, BNSF has played a vital role in building and sustaining this nation's economy. If. ), --Ken Stitzel (k@fc.hp.com)Learning Products Engineer (tech writer with functional enhancements)Hewlett-Packard Company (a pretty cool company to work for) Fort Collins, Colorado, USA (Opinions stated herein are provided without warranty and are not representative of official or unofficial HP policy on crew/helperhelp. The railroad is run as an East-West route. For the moment I still have more tracks, trains, and switches then they do, but that is changing rapidly, as two new rail facilities are planned for this town. 16. I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. At BNSF, we are committed to providing you the information you need to make informed transportation decisions. FORT WORTH, Texas - Capacity projects around three crew-change points on BNSF Railway's busy Southern Transcon will help the railroad gain operational flexibility on its key route linking Los Angeles and Chicago. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. To participate you must either login or register for an account. "The project in Amarillo as well as the other projects between Southern California and Chicago will help all traffic types along the route flow more freely and help prevent congestion.". This year alone, BNSF is investing approximately $1 billion into the 2,200-mile Southern Transcon route. Barstow CA. By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our, Get our weekly newsletter delivered to your inbox. > * Denver west (UP trackage rights): do they go all the way to Grand> Junction or do they change at Bond again like UP does? Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? "I would love to get whoever made this policy happen or said okay to it to come and join us for a week on how it is day to day," she urged. Lately, they are alsohandling most of the auto racks and one Q manifest. UP on the east/westline crewbases or change points are: Proviso IL, West Chicago IL (some trains), Clinton IA,Boone IA (short pool), Missouri Valley IA (Clinton long pool), Fremont NE (short pool out of Boone) North Platte NE. The heart of the yard is visible from a hill about midway . The Super 8 was their lodging and it was set up with a computer terminal for employees to "see" the railroad and determine what their near future entailed. In older times, it would take much longer as the trains were slower. This is via La Junta,they can't go via Trinidad. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. Just west of Minot, the train rolled over the 1792-foot-long, 117-foot-tall Gassman Coulee Trestle, one of many high steel bridges on the GN. No matter what you're shipping, BNSF has a service to meet your needs. I recall seeing a Steffee speed survey (mid-1960's?) Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. "We have had a lot of people resign, quit working, and not just Gillette, across the system, because they went and found other jobs. "This policy, that they have now, cut that in half and in half. Crew districts are not static. -- Steve Holmes, Steve Holmes Productions (helping companies communicate through award-winning video)Iowa City, IA, USAhttp://www.shpvideo.com My address: sigerson "at" inav "dot" net (replace "" words withsymbols). Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. So if you want to rub elbows with train crews while you travel, the Oak Tree is the place to do it. In days past, the away terminal was often a remote hamlet in between two cities. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. To participate you must either login or register for an account. With only one curve sharper than 3 degrees between the two points, the track alignment was well suited for 50 to 60 MPH freight running - though track maintenance may have been another story. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. Get the answers to the questions most commonly asked about BNSF. The dispatchers were forced to make better meets, yardmasters to get trains out of the yards better and so on. But I hear it is coming. Plus a new pool might be in place to handle the New Baltimore intermodal terminal. The crew change point on the South Transcon is Wellington Kan, Amarillo Texas Belen New Mexico Needles California Barstow, California (on some trains) Fresno, California Stockton California--also some trains change crews at Bakersfield, California Maybe others can fill in Dale Smith [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 09/07/16 19:16 From the materials that help create products people use every day to the actual finished products, our consistent and cost-effective service takes products of any size to customers when and where they need them. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. (Which I don't happen to remember.). No, they never had aProviso- Boone long pool. Barstow CA. Whenever I go to the local Amtrak station I enjoy talking with the agent when he is not busy with other people, even telling him that his worst nightmare has come back to him. Other changes on the PCE were Alberton, MT to St. Maries, ID and St. Maries, ID to Othello, WA. Melstone was almost certainly a crew change location in that it was almost exactly halfway between Harlow and Miles, along with being the only spot between Roundup and Miles City with more than two parallel tracks. Heres where one railroads train crews go to work, where they lay over, and the tangled routes in between. Men in road service on the Louisiana Division of the IC were based in McComb, Mississippi, which is about 100 miles from New Orleans and from Canton, Mississippi--and about 149 miles from Gwin, Mississippi, on the route through the Delta(the last two were junctions with the Tennessee Division) Passenger trains ran between Canton and New Orleans, and through freights ran between Gwin and New Orleans, on the Louisiana Division. "We think those things are critical to protect the velocity and safety of our network," she says. (Some of these are the same ones who always complained about the long pool because the LP crewsusually get priority to get over the road, no matter what type of train they are on, so they usually go around you.). I'm a teetotaler, so that thought is never on my mind. The dispatchers were forced to make better meets, yardmasters to get trains out of the yards better and so on. Things changed since Sept 11, 2001. EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. - Erik. Job Location: Mandan Other Potential Locations: Mandan, ND Anticipated Start Date: 04/10/2023 Number of Positions: 20 Salary Range: Entry rate is approx. 1,907 177 39.